your account management area, forums and University require login. the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. My shoulder does feel the after effects of a long bench session with the 7mm RM. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. forums are viewable by anyone, and may be read by clicking the forum headings less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. 5 Great Scout Rifles. I prefer the 280 ai. The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. The .280 Sherman is ****-near a 7mmRM, but uses a standard '06 bolt face action. I have two rifles i've been eyeing one is the Kimber Montana and the other is the Montana Rifle Company E3. T3 lite is a handy little gun. Re: 280 AI rifles [Re: jlink280] #15401220 11/10/20: Joined: Jan 2005. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. ~Thomas Jefferson. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … Reactions: Raffy. If you need a 280 AI have a smith ream out the chamber on a 7/08 and use a long magazine. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). I shot the 7RM as my primary rifle for nearly 40 years, now that I have a 280 AI the magnum only gets taken out of the safe for occasional fondling. I shoot a 358 Winchester, and my 30-06 is getting turned into a 280 AI. If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. Search continues I guess I missed out on a good deal on weatherby ultralight in a 7-08. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Also, the bullet selection is tremendous on 7mm. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 5 of 5 Posts. It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. But why? more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. T3 lite is a handy little gun. I think the 280 AI would be a fun "mini elr" rig and an effective western hunter. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. Here's a few quickies. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). Appears as new, beautiful custom build. more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. Thousands upon thousands of animals have been taken worldwide with the Jarrett Rifle in .280 … A finely crafted and outstanding rifle. The 140 TSX gave me the best accuracy using IMR 4831 but its temp sensitive the LRX and GMX I couldnt get to fly. According to the 4-to-1 Rule,m amounts to a about a 1.5% advantage in velocity, when both rounds are loaded to the same pressure in the same barrel length. PX Member. Take your moose hunt to the next level! I went through all of this at the end of last year and decided on a custom built 280 ai by TS Custom Rifles in South Dakota. This page was generated at 1 minute ago. All times are GMT-9. Messages that specifically relate to shooting in Alaska are welcome. Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. Remember you`re asking rifle loonies a question with no answer..other than maybe "just because". Great price. M/L. Your actual numbers may vary. for a free forum account |  Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership |, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307769604, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308522858, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307841390, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308571726, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308041951, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308052355. And panache? I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. But 7mm bullets of the same weight and shape have higher ballistic coefficients. The world, as it is, is vexing enough..." Col. Stonehill. Latest. Mag. Mag. I hunt elk, mule … The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. the same username and password for all areas. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. Recoil and muzzle blast is comparable to 270-30 06. There is definite difference in felt recoil for each step up. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. Out of what I'm looking at, it comes chambered in 308, 280 AI, 30-06, and 270. I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … Hunting. 7mm Rem. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. Mag. As a long range medium game hunting cartridge, the .280 is limited by the abilities of the shooter to read wind more so than any limitation of cartridge wounding power. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Totally adequate on small African game or Antelope with the 120's. It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. Sniperwannabee CWO. Yes, and I think she would prefer a 260 or 7mm08 more than any 280 or 280AI if recoil is the issue. The Alaska Shooting Forum is for connecting shooters in the 49th state. Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. Improved, and have loaded and shot a whole bunch of 7mm Remington Magnum, and can attest to the fact that the .280 AI offers a significant reduction in recoil. The .280 Ackley Improved (.280 AI) was registered with SAAMI in 2007 by Nosler. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Looking at Midway there's more Factory loadings for a 7 Mag than a 280 and a 280 AI combined. I don't mind fire forming and usually do 100 at a time, the time spent fire forming is somewhat made up for by the almost complete lack of trimming for the AI. Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? I like a flat shooting rifle having grown up hunting senderos in deep South Texas, the 25-06, 243, 22-250 all were common around our hunting camps. the rm holds about 8 more grains but with the higher psi the AI comes close to the RM. A Tikka T3 weighs just a hair over 6 lbs; Featherweight right at 7 lbs. Guns. Register There's an article in this web site (link's below) with a barrel life Excel formula based on my original one. JD338 _____ Register I was in you boat a few years ago and decided the 280 ai was a better fit for me. The interesting thing I found was that my Kimber Montana 7mm08 at 6 lbs scoped is lively in my hands but the felt recoil on my shoulder is still mild. The first deer I shot I thought I had used a fire forming load the report was so mild. Will easily shoot deer, pig, goat, sheep size game out to 1000 yards. Also drove a Saab for 7 years, so maybe I am just different! This 360-page book is a great resource for any Alaska moose hunter, regardless of experience level. Basically near 7mm mag with less powder and recoil. Supersite offers several membership levels. There is definite difference in felt recoil for each step up. .280 Ackley Improved Like many calibers, the .280 Ackley Improved (AI) is underrated only by those who have never used it. Sgt USMC - a while ago. The Alaska Moose Hunting Guidebook is now available for Apple devices and for Amazon Kindle. Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. Is there nothing so sacred on this earth that you aren't willing to kill or die for? The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. To post to our forums, please register. I know the 7 Mag has that much "disliked" belt but I neck size my once fired so it head spaces off the shoulder.The 7MM holds one less in the magazine but not a big deal..I've never had a 280 AI but would think the standard 280 or 7 MM Express would feed more smoothly. Some of us just like something different. The 7RM with bullets 160-190 will out perform the 280s but for general use and average ranges not much difference. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. The contents of the Alaska Outdoors Supersite If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. Recoil Levels in 7-pound Rifles. Secondly, plenty of power for what my needs are without burning the powder a 7mm mg will. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip. If The Recoil too much a 7 Mag you can even be had with reduced recoil loads:-) So it really comes down to if the perceived advantages of the AI cartridges really does outweigh the very real disadvantages for the job you're trying to do compared to an already available Factory cartridge. Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? Subsequently, Ruger has been considerate in leaving a mounting point in the forearm for those who would prefer this location for a front sling swivel stud. Its supposed to be a really accuracte cartridge too and you will end up with prolly a pretty accurate rig since your action will be trued up, assuming its a decent barrel. You’re talking about a cartridge suitable for a wide variety of game without the recoil of a magnum round. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. 280 AI, 150-grain bullet, 3,100 fps: 26.86 f-p recoil energy, 15.7 fps recoil velocity. I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. Great price. ... Use it for hunting and long range steel shooting. SOLD Caliber Info:.280 … The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. It is popular enough that Nosler both chambers its fine rifles in .280 AI and produces .280 AI in its custom line of ammunition, as well as providing component brass for handloaders that would rather not take the time to fireform cases. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. Minuteman. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. Loaded to the same pressure their is about 50 FPS difference between the 280 Rem and the 280AI, not worth the trouble to me. The 6.5 swede is a great idea but finding one in a light rifle will prove difficult as well. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. Of course the bigger recoil contributor is bullet mass. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. Several manufacturers making .280AI brass now, no need to fireform. Purchase and Download for $19.99 at the following links: Apple Devices. It can be measured or computed … August 2, 2006. I have two 7mm RMs, my personal favorites but the 280AI makes a lot of sense, good velocity without the magnum recoil and typically and extra cartridge in the magazine. I did miss a smoking deal on 260 in a kimber montanan on 24hour it lasted an hour. I was in you boat a few years ago and decided the 280 ai was a better fit for me. Perfect for larger deer with the 140's and a real elk and moose buster with the 160's. Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. At 300 yards, the .280 AI with a 140-grainer delivers about 150 ft.-lbs. That’s not a gigantic difference, but it’s also not nothing either. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … Nov 14, 2020 #14 My shoulder does feel the after effects of a long bench session with the 7mm RM. the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. I prefer the 280 ai. The factory 280 can almost push the limited of the 7mm Mag, the 280 AI can match it. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. The combination of high BC’s combined with mild recoil, have made the .280 and .280 Ackley Improved wildcat, highly favored cartridges for long range hunters wanting to build light and set limits on recoil accordingly, recoil to both the shooter and rifle platform. And panache? The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. I'm over 3000 fps with 160s without pushing things. Alaska Outdoors Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. Why does everyone love the 280 AI? It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Both still to be found in 6.5x55...Too heavy? The 280AI also has a very high "Cool Factor". Slippin' in that full power cartridge might get ya a night on the couch ! I've shot everything I mention in this post, and if light recoil and good performance is what you are after, the 280AI will do it. I have read Remington loaded a little light for the Remington autos, but not much difference to the hand loader. Nosler ~ Custom ~ .280 AI Description: Nosler Custom rifle .280 AI. The .280 AI is a standard SAAMI cartridge (thanks to Nosler) It costs nothing more to chamber to the AI version than the original .280 Rem cartridge. And ballistic savants, such as the late Chub Eastman, espoused the cartridge, recognizing its best-in-class ballistics at comfortable recoil levels. Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. I live in CA and I recently had a .280 AI put together knowing that it would never see lead. I allws thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interstet has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. I have a 270 it just has seen better days. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. What is noticeable is the noise and recoil reduction. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. Custom 280AI with 26barrel 1:9 twist will stabilize the longer 175 and 180gr's too long range, there are lots of quality bullets too choose from for the reloaders. Life member NRA I prefer classic. Plenty for deer and elk and not bad on recoil. M/L. Tons of 270 wsm out there ranging from kimbers to Tikkas. 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